Leave, I did. This Educational Organization is headquartered in Asheville, NC. The normal length of the meeting is two hours. But I feel like that has been compromised on numerous occasions by Michelle Weitzman.. If you cant discuss the efficacy of an organization and the way things are done as a member of that organizations board of directors, where exactly should one go to have that discussion? I showed her where Pam was, Weitzman said. The high attrition rate is simply bad business.. In addition to teaching violin and piano at AMS on a part-time basis since 2008, she has been a performing musician for over 35 years. Well certainly take everything you had to say to heart, Michelle, as we always have, Saenger said. Enter the code you received via email to sign in, or sign in using a password. and so it will be with Ms. Myers and her now rapidly unraveling tenure of abuse there at the Asheville Art Museum. But we have been updating inside and out, to build on our past and move forward so that we may thrive far into the 21st century. The first floor had minimal art, just some in the lobby and framed photography. To connect with us, please visit our Contact page. Mark-Ellis Bennett What are the next steps, people? Thank you for being part of this effort to promote respectful discussion. Last week, the letters in the museums sign were altered from Asheville Art Museum to A He ll Art Museum. Asheville Police spokesperson Samantha Booth said Wednesday she could not locate a police report on the vandalism. Asheville Art Museum Association Inc. has earned a 4/4 Star rating on Charity Navigator. This should be more a group effort.. I liken this behavior to what the vandals are doing defacing the museum, Saenger said. It is an age old story. But the culture of fear in employees, the morale and the attrition is horrendous., In ticking off Weitzmans pattern of disruptive behavior at Tuesdays board meeting, Saenger, the chair, said, I dont see in any way how this benefits anyone or anything about the museum.. This is no way to run any organization, let alone a supposedly not for profit arts organization. Kill the messenger certainly sends a message to the employees Krider told Asheville Watchdog she did not threaten anyone. The only people still working at the KIA that were there when the director came 8 years ago are the maintenance men (after getting $605K in PPP, she only rehired maintenance, not anyone she laid off). Weitzman pressed on after Saenger became the chair, asking for more information on employee complaints, staff exit interviews, and the executive coach that had been brought in for Myers and senior leaders, emails show. All I can say is this is not the museum that I have known and loved for so long.. I think this is horrible., Zahler added that he was supposed to be making the motion to remove Weitzman, but obviously I got on a little too late I would like to second that motion.. A renovated and expanded museum opened in 2019 in a glass building that is now a landmark downtown, and the museum has an endowment of more than $6 million. Im hopeful you will stand up and see that while your efforts are to you for the good of the museum, they are proving counterproductive. I wouldnt say UNCA students can afford it, but I also bet they dont actually get in for free I bet UNCA has a deal with AAM and pays a set amount per year for students to access it. North Carolina museum exhibiting 20th century American art. Krider, according to Weitzman, continued with her rant about a terrible way to run an organization.. Coronavirus update: Updated bivalent Covid-19 boosters are now available. Saenger responded, We do not believe it would be appropriate to share incident reports or security videos., Sarah Reincke, president of the Docents Association before Weitzman and a former trustee, said she believes the board was trying to find any excuse to rid themselves of a Trustee who consistently voiced valid opinions the Executive Committee refused to consider., Reincke said Weitzman was not the person who reprimanded Pam at the party, and she is not responsible for how another person expresses an opinion., The board used the actions of a third party as cause for Michelles dismissal, further proof, Reincke said, of the museums dysfunctional leadership., In a statement to Asheville Watchdog, Saenger wrote that the museum does not comment on trustees who leave the organization., If the board feels it necessary to ask a trustee to step down before the end of their normal term, it is not a matter we take lightly, but with the best interest of the museum in mind, Saenger wrote. Not only the board of the art museum, but many other institutions do not have the least consideration of the rest of the population, and refuse to hear any input, particularly if its negative to their established order. How do we get rid of Myers and her bootlickers on the Board? Thats absurd, Krider said. Do we only care about rectifying injustices from long ago? I cant tell you how much I appreciate your support. The board may be putting itself at risk by not taking more concrete action given that what has been done so far appears to be ineffective, nice words but little effect. (And, sorry I just dont see how those who fire someone for speaking out can use the word cancel culture. They orchestrated it all., Weitzman had volunteered at the museum since 2016 and held a seat on the board as president of the Docents Association. Late-night Thursdays until 9pm; closed Tuesdays. This is not a game to me, Weitzman said, adding that she had raised concerns about employee mistreatment with Saenger; with the previous chair, Herbert Butch Patrick Jr.; and with board vice chair Kevin Click, the chair of the human resources committee. The Asheville Art Museum is dedicated to advancing diversity, equity, access and inclusionnow and in the future. Sally Kestin is a Pulitzer Prize-winning investigative reporter. The new Asheville Art Museum facility enhances the Museum's presentations of American art of the 20 th and 21 st . Open Wednesdays 11am6pm | Reserve tickets now. Please contact the developer of this form processor to improve this message. The boards angry internal interactions give credibility to accusations of a toxic work environment. Its our responsibility to promote the health of the museum and its mission. Experience great art while mingling with fellow art lovers at an opening reception, watch a local ceramist throw a pot in her studio, discover new creative skills at a workshopall this and more. Krider said she asked Myers about the Watchdog story, and Myers declined to discuss it, saying, according to Krider, Youre in my house.. Kate Meehan, Idaho National Laboratory. GREENSBORO, N.C. - The Greensboro College Department of Art presents Kenn Kotara's exhibition, "social geometries," Oct. 15-Nov. 15 in the Anne Rudd Galyon Gallery, and the Irene Cullis Galley in the Cowan Humanities Building on campus. After the meeting, she sent an email to the docents, writing that she had been removed as a result of standing up for museum staff for the last year, within the Board of Trustees and most recently on record with the AVLWatchdog.org article., Nancy Ferguson, a 30-year museum volunteer and former trustee, told Asheville Watchdog, I was appalled to learn of Ms. Weitzmans dismissal. Show your support for our community by helping us power authoritative, in-depth reporting, and keeping access free for neighbors who need it. Weitzman responded that she attempted a group effort and failed. Every request was honored, Krider said. I never heard anyone speak with such divine right, Krider said. This series of stories, with its tone of personal attack, is not helpful, either to the museum or to Asheville Watchdog. And Im sorry to say, Michelle, youre no longer on the board. To be banished from the palace on Park Square seems to be a common pathway. Even though the server responded OK, it is possible the submission was not processed. I, and another board member, opposed the contract because of the directors extreme salary and benefits while maintaining a toxic working environment ($242K this year with a $35K bonus if shes still here next month). The Adult Studio program was popular as all of my classes were filled to overflowing. The building is beautiful. Weitzman said she wanted to make clear that she was not the one confronting Myers at the party. Established by artists and incorporated in 1948, the Museum is committed to being a vital force in community and individual development and to providing lifelong opportunities for education and enrichment through the visual arts. Jen passed away on Wednesday, October 19th, 2022, at the age of 46. Instead, board member Benites made a motion that Michelle be removed from the board.. In all of my life, Ive never been in a situation where there was such hostility, and I actually felt physically threatened, Benites said. Learn More{{/message}}. But the culture of fear in employees, the morale and the attrition is horrendous., In ticking off Weitzmans pattern of disruptive behavior at Tuesdays board meeting, Saenger, the chair, said, I dont see in any way how this benefits anyone or anything about the museum.. Established by artists in 1948, Asheville Art Museum works to transform lives through art. At some point words need to translate into both action and changed behavior, not just more words. The Asheville Art Museum is committed to being an active leader against racism. Read more about the new building. Krider said that she was disturbed by what she had read in the Watchdog story. Just so completely out-of-control simply outrageous. As Asheville Watchdog reported, the board has twice brought in an executive coach in 2015 after the six complaints to trustees, and again in 2021 after eight other ex-staffers voiced their concerns to Huff and board member Darren Green. Checks and balances must be in place for all employees including executive management. We fully believe in its vision to transform lives through art. I stopped going to the AAM years ago when a charge of $3 was required for 10-13 year old kids from Madison Co. Middle School to enter not much but too much for many of them. Pre-purchased online tickets and walk-in tickets are available. Youre focusing on me and refusing to focus on the problem, Pams leadership inability, Weitzman said. You said to me you will not stand down on this. I tried to stand in front of Pam. Weitzman, who until Tuesday had also been a volunteer docent leading tours of the museum, engaged in a pattern of disruptive behavior, Saenger said in the meeting. Weitzman said a museum patron, Monica Krider, had wanted to share her thoughts with Pam about the Watchdog story. The board has stood by Myers, 65, largely crediting her with raising $30 million in a capital campaign that spanned well over a decade. North Carolina museum exhibiting 20th century American art. And AAM gets that money whether or not students go. The Museums galleries, theMuseum Store, andPerspective Caf are open to the public. It sounds like it is time for the board to put Pam in her place as successful fundraiser in chief and keep her away from the rest of the organization. This sounds EXACTLY like the art museum I used to work for. This is what was decided seven years ago, and it is the same today.. Richard Napier, Idaho Mountain Trading. For as little as $5 a month the cost of a craft beer or kombucha you can help keep local journalism strong. This is not a game to me, Weitzman said, adding that she had raised concerns about employee mistreatment with Saenger; with the previous chair, Herbert Butch Patrick Jr.; and with board vice chair Kevin Click, the chair of the human resources committee. Its also about what it looks like for Asheville, all of us.. I dont always agree with her, but I have immense respect for her and what she has accomplished for Asheville. But it was Krider, not Weitzman, who confronted Myers in front of board member Robert Benites. Visit our Facebook gallery to see photos of the construction process. But Zahler also referenced all the good work.. Join, renew, or give the gift of Museum membership today. Leave, I did. After the vote to remove Weitzman, Saenger said, I would just underscore that its just not appropriate to take things into your own hands. Few outside the museum noticed when, this spring, five board members one-fourth of the trustees resigned. David Huff, one of five museum board members who resigned in the spring, said the trustees were doubling down by removing Weitzman. Kindness and gentle approaches Opinion: Mark Meadows Skates on Voter Fraud Charge. A woman Weitzman identified as Lindsay Rosson, director of finance and operations at the museum, removed Kriders wine glass from her hand and asked her to leave, according to Weitzman, Krider and Lewis. Inappropriate behavior? Wonder if the job description for director of finance and operations includes wine glass removal. If her only merit is that of a fundraiser, perhaps additional questions should be asked. Its not even just about the people who work there who were hurt by someones tactics and approach, Krider said. Few outside the museum noticed when, this spring, five board members one-fourth of the trustees resigned. An opening reception will be held 6-8 p.m. Friday, Oct. 15. Weitzman and the group moved to the first floor, where Myers was standing with trustee Bob Benites. Your email address will not be published. asheville art museum board of directors. Emails provided by Weitzman show she raised employee concerns beginning in March 2022. Board members support the ADA's mission to be a leader and advocate for the vitality of downtown Asheville. The high attrition rate is simply bad business.. For the record, I am canceling my membership. A docent was permanently removed from the board and the docent corps for speaking up about the director. When we visited, there was a temporary exhibit of recently donated Southern Folk Art (think: the ubiquitous and prolific Howard Finster and unschooled artists such as Finster), and a collection of modernist design from the mid-20th. Trustees who have attempted to redress the toxic culture fostered by Myers have been shut down or shut out of attempts to do so. Sunday Funday the Old-Fashioned Way! Weitzman responded that she attempted a group effort and failed. Sally Kestin is a Pulitzer Prize-winning investigative reporter. They orchestrated it all., Weitzman had volunteered at the museum since 2016 and held a seat on the board as president of the Docents Association. Xpress is committed to offering this platform for all voices, but when the tone of the discussion gets nasty or strays off topic, we believe many people choose not to participate. Now that the construction is complete and the Museum has reopened, we invite you into our new space to experience our fresh approaches, additions to the Collection, exhibitions, and educational programs. This exhibition presents highlights from the Asheville Art Museums Collection by artists engaging the intaglio printmaking technique of etching in the late 19th and early 20th century. We've recently sent you an authentication link. In all of my life, Ive never been in a situation where there was such hostility, and I actually felt physically threatened, Benites said. Please, check your inbox! Youre focusing on me and refusing to focus on the problem, Pams leadership inability, Weitzman said. Great coverage, thanks for exposing the toxic environment. My family was a supporter of the Museum for years but I will not be renewing our membership in 2023. Employee complaints have been a source of discord on the museum board. If so, time for a review/investigation to assist the Board in seeing the light? What I find to be the most concerning is the salary of the director at approximately $167,000 of taxpayer funds. Weitzman said a museum patron, Monica Krider, had wanted to share her thoughts with Pam about the Watchdog story. I never heard anyone speak with such divine right, Krider said. For what it is worth, my observation is that departmental staff come and go frequently. That Myers has brought in a lot of funding is great. The museum appears to be "in really good shape," said board member Michelle Weitzman. Open Wednesdays 11am6pm | Reserve tickets now. Check out www.ashevilleart.org for details. The patron was in her face, not me., Were clear, Saenger replied. It was just very upsetting to me., Saenger said in the meeting, If youve read Lindsays report or spoken to others, I think its clear this was grossly inappropriate behavior by a trustee And this was in the midst of an event for members in the atrium of the museum., Asheville Watchdog requested the report Saenger referenced and any videotape of the incident. It is a cornerstone in this art-rich town that we can all be very proud of.. Is there a record of how many employees have quit over the past 3-5 years? Cancel culture?!?! Board of Directors Patrick Chaffin | Ryman Hospitality Properties John Esposito | Warner Music Group Eddie George | Entrepreneur Kevin Green | Chartwell Hospitality Dr. Alex Jahangir | Vanderbilt Medical Center Doug Kreulen | President and CEO, Metropolitan Nashville Airport Authority Ken Levitan | Vector Management Kimberly Lewis | Emerson Grace There is not a more perilous or immoral habit of mind than the sanctifying of success. John Dalberg-Acton. When will these leaders ever learn that a toxic environment doesnt benefit the institution. Krider said she told Myers, Why do you think you can just stonewall people who are really struggling to understand your role and some of whats been going on here? , According to Weitzman, Benites got defensive and said, I dont think this is appropriate, and Pam said, Im hosting a party. , Weitzman said Krider was shaking her finger at Myers but stopped when Myers asked her to. These are not adolescents whining for attention, promotions and pay raises. It is up to our community of artists and supporters of the arts to speak up and advocate for our institution and its health, and insist on the Board and especially Ms. Myers resignation. She urged her fellow trustees to ask for Myerss resignation and to find a new executive director. 2 South Pack Square. In charge of it all is a board of trustees with full authority over the museum's affairs, and one that operates out of public view, often yielding to the will of its long-time executive. Linda Kendall Fields is a resident of Fletcher, North Carolina and has been on the Asheville Music School Board of Directors since it became a non-profit organization in 2012. Youre no longer a volunteer.. Weitzman said at the meeting she was being punished for standing up against the mistreatment of employees. This should be more a group effort.. To provide an open, supportive work environment where Staff can thrive. Deja vu all over again! Thank you for supporting the arts! What, because I spoke up? she said. Ousted Trustee Describes Culture of Fear at Asheville Art Museum, Hyperallergic, 11/18/22, https://hyperallergic.com/781084/ousted-trustee-describes-culture-of-fear-at-asheville-art-museum/, Trustee Who Criticized Director Is Ousted from Art Museum Board, Asheville Watchdog, 11/17/22, https://avlwatchdog.org/trustee-ousted-from-museum-board/, Not A Pretty Picture at the Asheville Art Museum, Asheville Watchdog, 11/9/22, https://avlwatchdog.org/not-a-pretty-picture-at-the-asheville-art-museum/. The board has stood by Myers, 65, largely crediting her with raising $30 million in a capital campaign that spanned well over a decade. Open daily 11am6pm. My generals ..and my highly classified documents. I think they felt threatened anyway, physically, and they were verbally attacked., Saenger allowed Weitzman an opportunity to respond at the board meeting before she was banished. I see lawsuits as several laws appear to have been violated. When I handed over the contract to the incoming docent president, I was suspended from being a docent for six months, which extended into 8 1/2 months and then expulsion from the docent corp. This is no joke. She said the foundation of the museum was not its collections but rather the people who make the everyday possible. We want everyone to have access to our stories. A renovated and expanded museum opened in 2019 in a glass building that is now a landmark downtown, and the museum has an endowment of more than $6 million. But we have been updating inside and out, to build on our past and move forward so that we may thrive far into the 21st century. Is the Asheville Art Museum a public institution meant to serve citizens or merely Ms. Myers house and the boards plaything. Those that dont agree to play that game will be made irrelevant or removed entirely. I would hope that they have more skills and resources to deal with conflict than exclusion. In one email to Click, the chair of the human resources committee, and then board chair Butch Patrick, Weitzman wrote that fear of being fired has created a large morale deficit compounded by the inability to speak up., She asked for immediate action and wrote that there have been issues and concerns for a long period of time.. Watchdog has succeeded spectacularly in offering one side of it. It was just very upsetting to me., Saenger said in the meeting, If youve read Lindsays report or spoken to others, I think its clear this was grossly inappropriate behavior by a trustee And this was in the midst of an event for members in the atrium of the museum., Asheville Watchdog requested the report Saenger referenced and any videotape of the incident. Proudly powered by Newspack by Automattic. Approved by Board of Directors: January 2014. Celebrated my birthday at the art museum on Monday with 3 generations of family. Its also about what it looks like for Asheville, all of us.. Hoping AAM administrators will learn from the internal and external feedback and make changes for the good of their employees and the city. Weitzman and the group moved to the first floor, where Myers was standing with trustee Bob Benites. Homeward Bound of WNC Asheville, NC 3 weeks ago Be among . Pre-purchased online tickets are encouraged; walk-in tickets are also available. It is a distinct and dangerous part of the problem. {{#message}}{{{message}}}{{/message}}{{^message}}Your submission failed. Thorough and revealing (and entertaining!). Kathleen A. Thats a big part of why we've never charged for the paper or put up a paywall. Why are so many who live here in the present so spineless? Asheville, NC 28801. An Asheville Museum of Artwork board member and volunteer docent who spoke publicly about allegations of worker mistreatment at the museum has been ousted from her submit, the Asheville Watchdog claimed. We need a Museum that operates with consistent transparency and accountability. Answer Man: Where are the street sweepers? All comments judged not to be in keeping with the spirit of civil discourse will be removed and repeat violators will be banned. Is there not something to this? Huff said. I am disappointed that the Board of the Museum is so insecure that the only way they can deal with differences is by throwing out the person who differs with the majority view. I dont do this lightly, said Paul Saenger, chair of the museums Board of Trustees, according to a recording of the board meeting obtained by Asheville Watchdog. The Asheville Art Museums vision is to transform lives through art, and we welcome all visitors without discrimination. The board meets the second Monday of each month (unless regular date is a holiday and/or as noted in schedule) at 5:00 p.m. at the Asheville City School Administrative Offices at 85 Mountain St. Our mission is to encourage young professionals across industries to learn, support, and ultimately invest in diverse and . I am a former AAM member, but gave up donating awhile back when the staff turnover showed that the negative work environment was effecting the entire institution. Saenger told Asheville Watchdog that as far as he knew, the museum, established in 1948, had never removed a trustee. Nonprofit journalism in the public interest. Sally Kestin is a Pulitzer Prize-winning investigative reporter Email [emailprotected]. Sep 2021 - Present1 year 5 months. She couldnt have cared less. But some trustees felt the board should do more, such as hire an administrator to run the day-to-day operations and free Myers to focus on fundraising and larger issues. Lori Barber, College of Eastern Idaho. She should stick to that. And the sycophants & lickspittles fawning over her psyche & clamoring on how theyve been emotionally upset by this icky reality thing. But Zahler also referenced all the good work.. Open daily 11am6pm. Is there a chance NC electoral votes will be split? Big changes happened in the Museum building during our major expansion and renovation project right in the heart of downtown Asheville. Sherrill Roland November 18, 2022-March 20, 2023 Theyre not hearing. If the city and/or county are providing significant support to the museum, it would seem appropriate that they have presence on the museum board. All I can say is this is not the museum that I have known and loved for so long.. A vibrant arts scene, creative restaurants and beer galore dazzle in this Southern jewel of a city. It was not an attack.. Saenger told Asheville Watchdog that as far as he knew, the museum, established in 1948, had never removed a trustee. In addition to the regular board meetings, the board holds work sessions one week prior to the regular . Will you do the same? MakerSpace: Third Thursday with Artist Aspen Johnston. Media outlets around the country are asking their readers to chip in. She said the foundation of the museum was not its collections but rather the people who make the everyday possible. The Asheville Art Museum is a 501(c)3 nonprofit organization, accredited by the American Alliance of Museums that receives support for its programs from Museum Members; other generous individuals, corporations, businesses, and foundations; the North Carolina Arts Council, a division of the Department of Natural & Cultural Resources (www.NCArts.org); the Institute of Museum and Library Services, the primary source of federal support for the nations libraries and museums; and the National Endowment for the Arts, a federal agency that believes that a great nation deserves great art. Asheville Watchdog spoke separately with Weitzman, Lewis, and Krider the day after the event. I have never experienced someone with so little emotional intelligence and managerial ability. To create a vibrant environment for the arts and artists. Below is a brief time lapse video of some of the demolition and rebuilding work that occurredat 2 South Pack Square in 2018. Open daily 11 am - 6 pm. This, frankly, is the story of a very strong institution, an ambitious and focused leader and a board. I believe we are on a solid path forward, Click wrote. She returned to the group, and Lewis approached Myers. CEO expert in marketing/PR, global fundraising authority, streaming Exec. Candace Reilly, one of six former employees who complained to the trustees in 2015, told Asheville Watchdog the board had a chance to do the right thing, but chose to support Myers. What, because I spoke up? she said. I wrote recommendations, and I was dismissed, so I went through proper channels before putting my name and my reputation in the public view, Weitzman said. Kids under 15 should be allowed in at no cost if art is to be advanced now the fee is $10 for those same aged kids. Monica Krider, a realtor, attended as a guest of Gretchen Lewis, who is also a realtor and a museum member. I believe we are on a solid path forward, Click wrote. A gift to the Capital Campaign is a gift to our communitys future. Lewis said Benites intervened, defending Myers. The old powers get nervous and forget decency, all in the name of saving the good work weve done when its actually their own egos theyre defending and their positions of prestige and public notice theyre clinging to. These are real people whos lives she personally has harmed. Over 35 people have either retired, resigned or been fired in the directors reign. She imperiously, very rudely and with great toxicity showed me the door. Krider said that she was disturbed by what she had read in the Watchdog story. Image Requests To request images for publication or other uses, click here to complete our request for image use form. Cons The biggest con of working at the Museum is the Executive Director. Through his work, Roland engages visitors in dialogues around community, social contract, identity, biases, and other deeply human experiences. Asheville Art Museum opening events All events are held at 2 S. Pack Square. This is the inevitable -but alas very predictable- retribution for the curtain being pulled aside by the Asheville Watchdog expose. As one of the employees who left in 2015 I can attest to the hostile, dysfunctional and toxic work environment. I have lived in Asheville since 1979 and am a visual artist. But some trustees felt the board should do more, such as hire an administrator to run the day-to-day operations and free Myers to focus on fundraising and larger issues. Need a Consultation? 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